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Mining

2005-02-22T03:19:26Z

Artega:

Intro:

Mining is a primary profession, and can be used with blacksmithing, engineering and for the purposes of trading. While out in the world, you will often be near a mine. Many ores and other things like gems can be found from mines. Crafters can use mining to save on the cost of materials and mining can be used to generate cash by selling to crafters.

No matter if you mine while you fight or fight while you mine, mining can help you reach your goals.

Getting Started: Apprentice

Miners can be found in the low level areas or at the capital cities for the most part. Most trainers will have a supplies merchant nearby who can sell you a mining pick, the one needed thing for mining. General Supply merchants also tend to sell picks. After you get the mining skill, you can then use the 'find minerals' skill which puts dots on the minimap showing where the minerals are close to use. A good starting point is to zoom the minimap all the way in, then zoom out twice, to see minerals around you. You will find that minerals are often in odd places. You may have to zoom the minimap in to be able to find the deposit. You will also tend to get better at mountain climbing to reach some deposits.

The first thing you will find is copper. Copper is easy to find and has many uses. Copper ore stacks to 10 in your bags and can be converted to copper bars with smelting which stack to 20. Smelting is the process of converting the ore to bars which are used to craft or can be traded. Ore can be traded also, but there is little reason not to smelt the ore. Early on, you will get skill point for smelting. However, you will find that you stop getting skill for smelting and have to mine to get more skill.

Continuing Your Career: Journeyman

As you start exploring away from the newbie areas, you will see tin now and then. By the time you reach around level 20, you should be able to find tin without trouble. From around skill 75 and up, you won't be getting skill from smelting copper or tin, so keep busy with that pick! Most of your trainers will train you to Journeyman, so this is easy to find and get.

Once you start finding tin, you will have a chance to find silver. Silver is a rare respawn of tin mines. It takes skill 75 to mine silver. Smelting silver will give skill after copper and tin stop, but still won't get you to expert. Once you find tin, make sure you visit a trainer to get tin and bronze smelting. Bronze is smelted from copper and tin bars.

As you reach the end of your Journeyman period, you will find that the skill slows down. Copper mining stops giving skill and only tin and silver mines will give skill. Stay with it, for you may soon see that iron mine! At skill 125 you can mine Iron, and will start to skill up again.

Mining for Fun and Profit: Expert

Between skill levels 125 and 150, you should find an expert mining trainer, and pick up expert mining so you can keep increasing skill past 150. Expert mining trainers can be found at:

Ironforge
Auberdine
Thunder Bluff
Orgrimmar
< add other trainers here >

Training is somewhere on the order of 75s and allows access to iron and gold ores.

Zen and Art of Mining: Artisan

Artisan Mining trainers can be found in Auberdine, Ironforge, Thunder Bluff, and Orgrimmar.

< more details to come here >

Tips

Durotar is an excellent place for copper; it's entirely possible to make a circuit of Durotar in around 20-30 minutes (on a mount, of course) and pick up 70 ore and 40 or more rough stones.

For tin, the Azureload Mine in Hillsbrad can provide a number of veins, and the mobs inside and outside are a nice source of silk and wool cloth.

For iron, Alterac is where it's at. Run a beat between the yeti caves and ogre caves, and you can easily score 20-50 iron, along with a little mithril and occasionally some truesilver.

As for mithril, most people prefer Badlands, and it's also a good place for iron, though it's not as productive as running a beat in Alterac. For mithril, the ravine where the whelps and drakes can be found is an excellent source. As far as running a beat goes, the Nethergarde Mine in Blasted Lands generally produces a little less mithril than Badlands, but the mobs inside are excellent sources of cash and mageweave.

Lastly, small thorium can be found in various places in such zones as Azshara and Felwood, and you'll see relatively large numbers of rich thorium in later areas such as Burning Steppes and Winterspring.

< more details to come here >

Warrior Talent Ratings

2005-02-22T03:07:45Z

Artega: /* Bloodthirst */

Rather than contributing a talent "build", I thought I would have us break down and evaluate the Warrior talents individually.

Each Talent has a Utility ranking (how good it is, on a 1-10 scale, ignoring pre-requisites), a Cost ranking (1 being too many poor utility pre-requisites, 10 meaning it's worth the point investment to get it nomatter what), and an Overall ranking (subjective combination of the two factors).

On some of these talents I am not speaking from direct experience, so please feel free to adjust any ratings/descriptions you feel are off. If enough people tweak the ranks, I will go through the history and edit the rank to reflect an average of current patch rankings (feel free to adjust the average yourself if you want to crunch the numbers).

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== ARMS ==

=== Improved Heroic Strike / Deflection / Improved Rend === [http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Improved_Heroic_Strike_.2F_Deflection_.2F_Improved_Rend Details]

'''Improved Heroic Strike''' - 3 points 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Steaming Pile of... Well if you use it early and get rid of it on a respec it's OK'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''5 points that could be better spent elsewhere, but luckily only 5'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''People may giggle if you admit you have it, but they won't throw you out of the group...'' 

'''Deflection''' - 5 points 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Belongs in any defensive minded "protection spec" even though it's in Arms'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Absolutely worth the points unless your plan has no room for it.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Just get it already...''

'''Improved Rend''' - 3 points 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A nice talent, but depends on a skill use. Also a pre-requisite for an excellent passive talent.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''When you're tight on points, you may be able to live without it. You can still use the plain skill.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Belongs in most Arms builds, but other builds can skip it.''

 

=== Improved Charge / Tactical Mastery / Improved Thunder Clap === [http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Improved_Charge_.2F_Tactical_Mastery_.2F_Improved_Thunder_Clap Details]

'''Improved Charge''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 1/10 (1 person rating) 
''Would be much higher if Charge worked in combat, but it doesn't.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Only worth the points if you can't think of ANYWHERE else to put them, but it's only 3.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Almost anything besides this is a better way to get the 10 Arms talents for the next tier.''

'''Tactical Mastery''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you see a tactical use for it that you MUST do, then you need it, otherwise you don't.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A better way to get to 10 Arms points than Charge/Thunderclap talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A good talent, but far from mandatory.''

'''Improved Thunder Clap''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Extra damage on a weak, barely used skill... whee! Still better than the Charge talent, IMO.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Every talent point is precious. Friends don't let friends get the Thunder Clap talent.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Out of witty comments...''

 

=== Improved Overpower / Anger Management / Deep Wounds ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Improved_Overpower_.2F_Anger_Management_.2F_Deep_Wounds Details]

'''Improved Overpower''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''An opportunity to nearly double the damage on what was already a highly efficient damage dealing skill.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''To get to this tier, you sometimes need to make some sacrifices, but as Arms is so popular, not penalized too much.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Get it if you plan to be in Battle Stance a lot.''

'''Anger Management''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''It's all about pacing...'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''You have to have 5 points in Tactical Mastery to get here, but there are worse things you could do with your talent points'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''You won't know if you need this until you have a better feel for your personal play style.''

'''Deep Wounds''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Less if you have a wimpy weapon...'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Docked a little for being a 10 req tier talent, but the Rend pre-requisite isn't a big detraction.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''Passive talents are great!''

 

=== Two-Handed Weapon Specialization / Impale ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Two-Handed_Weapon_Specialization_.2F_Impale Details]

'''Two-Handed Weapon Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Pretty middle of the road, but OK.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you're doing an Arms build, I can't think of a better way to get to the next tier, otherwise there are tempting options in other talent categories.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Hey, at least it's passive.''

'''Impale''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Doesn't trigger as often as one would like, but when it does it's handy.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Pre-reqs aren't too painful, and it's only a couple talent points either way.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''A matter of personal style I guess...''

 

=== Axe Specialization / Sweeping Strikes / Mace Specialization / Sword Specialization ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Axe_Specialization_.2F_Sweeping_Strikes_.2F_Mace_Specialization_.2F_Sword_Specialization Details]

'''Sweeping Strikes''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you get this far in the Arms tree, and don't pick up this Talent, you should be shot.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''Getting here means giving up some other nice talents on other trees, but it's still a bargain.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Get it, use it, love it.''

'''Axe Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Personal Taste.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunity to get more valuable talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''All depends on your style and luck with aquiring the appropriate weapon.'' 

'''Mace Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Personal Taste.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunity to get more valuable talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''See if it works for you, but the diminishing returns put it below the others in this category, IMO.'' 

'''Sword Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Personal Taste.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunity to get more valuable talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''All depends on your style and luck with aquiring the appropriate weapon.'' 

 

=== Polearm Specialization / Improved Hamstring ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Polearm_Specialization_.2F_Improved_Hamstring Details]

'''Polearm Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Very specified, but those going for the optimal Mortal Strike will end up going this route.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunities, but not the worst way to get to 30 arms.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Just make sure you get your hands on a good polearm, or you'll feel silly taking this talent.'' 

'''Improved Hamstring''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A shadow of the talent (and skill) it once was.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Probably should be a higher rating, but I'm bitter about the 10%->5% nerf.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''It's a bad value for your talent points, but if you're a die hard PvP player you should still get it.'' 

 

=== Mortal Strike ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Mortal_Strike Details]

'''Mortal Strike''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Hey, I don't particularly like it, but I recognize it's very good...'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''A lot of good talents in other trees are just barely out of reach. Them's the breaks.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Unless you have a very clear plan for your talents, this is the default end-goal talent.'' 

[edit 1/28/05 - Docked utility by 1 due to the "nerf" in the previous patch (long overdue)]
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== FURY ==

=== Booming Voice / Cruelty ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Booming_Voice_.2F_Cruelty Details]

'''Booming Voice''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''More useful if your playstyle leaves you without either of these shouts still active at the end of battle'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Can be picked up cheaply by nearly any build. Don't rush to 5 if 1 point here works for you.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Fine to get it, just know what you're trading off.'' 

'''Cruelty''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 10/10 (1 person rating) 
''More damage with any weapon you use. Avoid if you dislike dealing damage.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you have unused points, put them here before nearly anything else.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Great talent with no significant tradeoffs, what's not to like?'' 

=== Improved Demoralizing Shout / Unbridled Wrath ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Demoralizing_Shout_.2F_Unbridled_Wrath Details]

'''Improved Demoralizing Shout''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Used often. Someone should do some methodical measuring of the net effect on damage taken, but until then it doesn't seem to hurt.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Most people won't put this many points on a talent like this unless they're working on something (piercing howl).'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A no brainer if you want P.Howl. Much more thought required otherwise.'' 

'''Unbridled Wrath''' - 5 points
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Hard to say. 10/10 for some folks, 0/10 for others. Will refine the ranking after more testing.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Often comes into play at a stage of talent distribution where points are tight. If fewer than 5 points does the trick for you, don't waste extra talent points here.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Don't jump on this one early unless you're really frustrated by poor rage generation. Grab it once you understand your rage needs.'' 

=== Improved Cleave / Piercing Howl / Blood Craze / Improved Battle Shout ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Cleave_.2F_Piercing_Howl_.2F_Blood_Craze_.2F_Improved_Battle_Shout Details]

'''Improved Cleave''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''More damage is always a nice attribute, but are you a cleave user?'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Doesn't feel like a good value. Those who saw the beta version still miss their extra hits.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''A viable option in a fury build, but nothing overwhelming..'' 

'''Piercing Howl''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Perhaps not a bread and butter source of damage, but there is something to be said for a skill that can save your butt or the life of a friend.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A better use of points for a defensive player than most options in the upper Defensive talent tree. Pre-reqs not too painful.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''See if you can fit it in your talent plan. Not the end of the world if you can't, but it's very nice to have.'' 

'''Blood Craze''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Probably ranked higher than it's worth due to my love of passives. A mediocre talent that is constantly helping you without your having to think about it is better than a fantastic talent that you never remember to use.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Not a good value for this far up the Fury tree.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Something to throw in as an afterthought on a Fury plan.'' 

''Keep in mind that Warriors have little Spirit to begin with, and 15% of their regen rate isn't going to be anything to write home about. Assuming a regen rate of 200 HP/tick, that's 30 HP/tick. Now, a tick happens around once every three seconds, meaning you'll only be regenning for 18 of those 20 seconds, or six ticks. 30 HP x 6 ticks = 180 HP regenned. A normal mob will likely crit you for around 100-120, while an elite mob will likely crit you for more than 200 HP. In short, Improved Thunder Clap is more useful than Blood Craze. - Artega''

'''Improved Battle Shout''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Add a couple rank points if you religiously keep battle shout up.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Would be an OK first tier talent. A tough sell in its current position.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Bottom line, it's probably not worth the points this high up in the tree.'' 

=== Improved Execute / Enrage ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Execute_.2F_Enrage Details]

'''Improved Execute''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Players who spend most of their time in battle/beserk stance (talent tree != stance choice btw) should consider this strongly.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A noticable improvement per talent point. Surplus rage turns into more damage anyway.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Good talent, but if you're conserving points on this tier Enrage is a tad better.'' 

'''Enrage''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you often find yourself surrounded by 3 or more melee enemies, this is a nice choice. Stay away if you don't enjoy dealing damage.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Passives are always a good value.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''The best talent of this tier by a hair. Solo / PvP focused players should skip.'' 

=== Improved Slam / Death Wish / Improved Intercept ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Slam_.2F_Death_Wish_.2F_Improved_Intercept Details]

'''Improved Slam''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''After reading the above, if you still plan on using slam, consider the talent. The original 1.5 speed isn't too bad to begin with, however.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Not a good benefit per talent point. Save yourself some grief and buy a passive talent elsewhere.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Slam is interruptable.'' 

'''Death Wish''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A very situational talent, but when that situation arises, you will be very glad you have it.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Only one point, but you're looking at a lot of fury points to get there.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Are you afraid of fear? You don't have to be.'' 

'''Improved Intercept''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Like the skill, but many people can live with the non-talent cooldown.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Not bad as far as benefit per talent point, but it's up there in the fury tree.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Either indispensible or worthless. How much do you enjoy killing players?'' 

=== Improved Berserker Rage / Flurry ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Berserker_Rage_.2F_Flurry Details]

'''Improved Berserker Rage''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''A very situational talent, and when the situation arrives, it may still not help that much.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''By this point in the talent tree, points are scarce, and you should really consider flurry instead if there's any question of a tradeoff.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''If I ever play a warlock, I'll remember to re-fear warriors 17 seconds later...'' 

'''Flurry'''
*'''Utility Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''A passive that results in better damage over time.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''All those wonderful arms talents that boost critical hit % are just out of reach... sush a shame. If you get this talent and haven't gotten cruelty, you probably should go back to the Hello Kitty MMORPG. (note: I like Kitty as much as the next guy, I just don't think many of her fans understand the word "synergy".)'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you chose not to get Mortal Strike, this isn't a bad cornerstone of an alternate talent build.'' 

=== Bloodthirst ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Bloodthirst Details]

'''Bloodthirst''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you get the killing blow (doubtful in a group), you'd better hustle to get that next attack in because the bloodthirst state wears off quickly.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 1/10 (1 person rating) 
''Yes, it's 1 more point, but by taking it you are losing all possibility of either concussion blow or sweeping strikes. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!?'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Just because it's at the top of the talent tree doesn't mean it's good (as we'll see in protection too).'' 

''Bloodthirst lasts for 15 seconds. Assuming you're fighting green-con mobs (every Warrior does this for grinding, because we all know yellow-con mobs cause too much downtime), you can probably kill six or seven before needing to rest, and you'll definitely get some nice mileage out of this ability. In PvP, ANY player - regardless of level difference - triggers Bloodthirst, and a double-damage hit is incredibly powerful in PvP. True, by taking Bloodthirst, you miss out on either Sweeping Strikes or Concussion Blow, but neither of the two abilities are particularly stellar. Sweeping Strikes confines you to Battle Stance, is buggy, and only lasts for five hits, and costs an absurd 30 Rage. Concussion Blow can be blocked, dodged, parried, or just plain miss, and many high level mobs are either resistant or immune to stuns. On top of that, it's pretty well-accepted that placing ANY points into Protection (21 of which will be required if you want Conc) effectively neuters your damage output. I'd take Bloodthirst over Concussion Blow or Sweeping Strikes any day. - Artega''

== PROTECTION ==
--UNDER CONSTRUCTION--

=== Shield Specialization / Anticipation ===

=== Improved Bloodrage / Toughness / Iron Will ===

=== Last Stand / Improved Shield Block / Improved Revenge / Defiance ===

=== Improved Sunder Armor / Improved Disarm / Improved Taunt ===

=== Improved Shield Wall / Improved Shield Bash / Concussion Blow ===

=== One-Handed Weapon Specialization ===

=== Shield Discipline ===

--UNDER CONSTRUCTION--

Back to [[Warrior]] Index.

Warrior Talent Ratings

2005-02-22T03:00:34Z

Artega: /* Improved Cleave / Piercing Howl / Blood Craze / Improved Battle Shout */

Rather than contributing a talent "build", I thought I would have us break down and evaluate the Warrior talents individually.

Each Talent has a Utility ranking (how good it is, on a 1-10 scale, ignoring pre-requisites), a Cost ranking (1 being too many poor utility pre-requisites, 10 meaning it's worth the point investment to get it nomatter what), and an Overall ranking (subjective combination of the two factors).

On some of these talents I am not speaking from direct experience, so please feel free to adjust any ratings/descriptions you feel are off. If enough people tweak the ranks, I will go through the history and edit the rank to reflect an average of current patch rankings (feel free to adjust the average yourself if you want to crunch the numbers).

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== ARMS ==

=== Improved Heroic Strike / Deflection / Improved Rend === [http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Improved_Heroic_Strike_.2F_Deflection_.2F_Improved_Rend Details]

'''Improved Heroic Strike''' - 3 points 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Steaming Pile of... Well if you use it early and get rid of it on a respec it's OK'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''5 points that could be better spent elsewhere, but luckily only 5'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''People may giggle if you admit you have it, but they won't throw you out of the group...'' 

'''Deflection''' - 5 points 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Belongs in any defensive minded "protection spec" even though it's in Arms'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Absolutely worth the points unless your plan has no room for it.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Just get it already...''

'''Improved Rend''' - 3 points 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A nice talent, but depends on a skill use. Also a pre-requisite for an excellent passive talent.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''When you're tight on points, you may be able to live without it. You can still use the plain skill.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Belongs in most Arms builds, but other builds can skip it.''

 

=== Improved Charge / Tactical Mastery / Improved Thunder Clap === [http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Improved_Charge_.2F_Tactical_Mastery_.2F_Improved_Thunder_Clap Details]

'''Improved Charge''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 1/10 (1 person rating) 
''Would be much higher if Charge worked in combat, but it doesn't.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Only worth the points if you can't think of ANYWHERE else to put them, but it's only 3.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Almost anything besides this is a better way to get the 10 Arms talents for the next tier.''

'''Tactical Mastery''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you see a tactical use for it that you MUST do, then you need it, otherwise you don't.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A better way to get to 10 Arms points than Charge/Thunderclap talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A good talent, but far from mandatory.''

'''Improved Thunder Clap''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Extra damage on a weak, barely used skill... whee! Still better than the Charge talent, IMO.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Every talent point is precious. Friends don't let friends get the Thunder Clap talent.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Out of witty comments...''

 

=== Improved Overpower / Anger Management / Deep Wounds ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Improved_Overpower_.2F_Anger_Management_.2F_Deep_Wounds Details]

'''Improved Overpower''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''An opportunity to nearly double the damage on what was already a highly efficient damage dealing skill.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''To get to this tier, you sometimes need to make some sacrifices, but as Arms is so popular, not penalized too much.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Get it if you plan to be in Battle Stance a lot.''

'''Anger Management''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''It's all about pacing...'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''You have to have 5 points in Tactical Mastery to get here, but there are worse things you could do with your talent points'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''You won't know if you need this until you have a better feel for your personal play style.''

'''Deep Wounds''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Less if you have a wimpy weapon...'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Docked a little for being a 10 req tier talent, but the Rend pre-requisite isn't a big detraction.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''Passive talents are great!''

 

=== Two-Handed Weapon Specialization / Impale ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Two-Handed_Weapon_Specialization_.2F_Impale Details]

'''Two-Handed Weapon Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Pretty middle of the road, but OK.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you're doing an Arms build, I can't think of a better way to get to the next tier, otherwise there are tempting options in other talent categories.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Hey, at least it's passive.''

'''Impale''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Doesn't trigger as often as one would like, but when it does it's handy.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Pre-reqs aren't too painful, and it's only a couple talent points either way.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''A matter of personal style I guess...''

 

=== Axe Specialization / Sweeping Strikes / Mace Specialization / Sword Specialization ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Axe_Specialization_.2F_Sweeping_Strikes_.2F_Mace_Specialization_.2F_Sword_Specialization Details]

'''Sweeping Strikes''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you get this far in the Arms tree, and don't pick up this Talent, you should be shot.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''Getting here means giving up some other nice talents on other trees, but it's still a bargain.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Get it, use it, love it.''

'''Axe Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Personal Taste.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunity to get more valuable talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''All depends on your style and luck with aquiring the appropriate weapon.'' 

'''Mace Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Personal Taste.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunity to get more valuable talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''See if it works for you, but the diminishing returns put it below the others in this category, IMO.'' 

'''Sword Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Personal Taste.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunity to get more valuable talents.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''All depends on your style and luck with aquiring the appropriate weapon.'' 

 

=== Polearm Specialization / Improved Hamstring ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Polearm_Specialization_.2F_Improved_Hamstring Details]

'''Polearm Specialization''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Very specified, but those going for the optimal Mortal Strike will end up going this route.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Missed opportunities, but not the worst way to get to 30 arms.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Just make sure you get your hands on a good polearm, or you'll feel silly taking this talent.'' 

'''Improved Hamstring''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A shadow of the talent (and skill) it once was.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Probably should be a higher rating, but I'm bitter about the 10%->5% nerf.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''It's a bad value for your talent points, but if you're a die hard PvP player you should still get it.'' 

 

=== Mortal Strike ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Arms_Talents#Mortal_Strike Details]

'''Mortal Strike''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Hey, I don't particularly like it, but I recognize it's very good...'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''A lot of good talents in other trees are just barely out of reach. Them's the breaks.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Unless you have a very clear plan for your talents, this is the default end-goal talent.'' 

[edit 1/28/05 - Docked utility by 1 due to the "nerf" in the previous patch (long overdue)]
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== FURY ==

=== Booming Voice / Cruelty ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Booming_Voice_.2F_Cruelty Details]

'''Booming Voice''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''More useful if your playstyle leaves you without either of these shouts still active at the end of battle'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Can be picked up cheaply by nearly any build. Don't rush to 5 if 1 point here works for you.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Fine to get it, just know what you're trading off.'' 

'''Cruelty''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 10/10 (1 person rating) 
''More damage with any weapon you use. Avoid if you dislike dealing damage.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you have unused points, put them here before nearly anything else.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Great talent with no significant tradeoffs, what's not to like?'' 

=== Improved Demoralizing Shout / Unbridled Wrath ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Demoralizing_Shout_.2F_Unbridled_Wrath Details]

'''Improved Demoralizing Shout''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Used often. Someone should do some methodical measuring of the net effect on damage taken, but until then it doesn't seem to hurt.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Most people won't put this many points on a talent like this unless they're working on something (piercing howl).'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A no brainer if you want P.Howl. Much more thought required otherwise.'' 

'''Unbridled Wrath''' - 5 points
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Hard to say. 10/10 for some folks, 0/10 for others. Will refine the ranking after more testing.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Often comes into play at a stage of talent distribution where points are tight. If fewer than 5 points does the trick for you, don't waste extra talent points here.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Don't jump on this one early unless you're really frustrated by poor rage generation. Grab it once you understand your rage needs.'' 

=== Improved Cleave / Piercing Howl / Blood Craze / Improved Battle Shout ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Cleave_.2F_Piercing_Howl_.2F_Blood_Craze_.2F_Improved_Battle_Shout Details]

'''Improved Cleave''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''More damage is always a nice attribute, but are you a cleave user?'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Doesn't feel like a good value. Those who saw the beta version still miss their extra hits.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''A viable option in a fury build, but nothing overwhelming..'' 

'''Piercing Howl''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 9/10 (1 person rating) 
''Perhaps not a bread and butter source of damage, but there is something to be said for a skill that can save your butt or the life of a friend.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A better use of points for a defensive player than most options in the upper Defensive talent tree. Pre-reqs not too painful.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''See if you can fit it in your talent plan. Not the end of the world if you can't, but it's very nice to have.'' 

'''Blood Craze''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Probably ranked higher than it's worth due to my love of passives. A mediocre talent that is constantly helping you without your having to think about it is better than a fantastic talent that you never remember to use.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Not a good value for this far up the Fury tree.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Something to throw in as an afterthought on a Fury plan.'' 

''Keep in mind that Warriors have little Spirit to begin with, and 15% of their regen rate isn't going to be anything to write home about. Assuming a regen rate of 200 HP/tick, that's 30 HP/tick. Now, a tick happens around once every three seconds, meaning you'll only be regenning for 18 of those 20 seconds, or six ticks. 30 HP x 6 ticks = 180 HP regenned. A normal mob will likely crit you for around 100-120, while an elite mob will likely crit you for more than 200 HP. In short, Improved Thunder Clap is more useful than Blood Craze. - Artega''

'''Improved Battle Shout''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Add a couple rank points if you religiously keep battle shout up.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Would be an OK first tier talent. A tough sell in its current position.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Bottom line, it's probably not worth the points this high up in the tree.'' 

=== Improved Execute / Enrage ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Execute_.2F_Enrage Details]

'''Improved Execute''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Players who spend most of their time in battle/beserk stance (talent tree != stance choice btw) should consider this strongly.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''A noticable improvement per talent point. Surplus rage turns into more damage anyway.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''Good talent, but if you're conserving points on this tier Enrage is a tad better.'' 

'''Enrage''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you often find yourself surrounded by 3 or more melee enemies, this is a nice choice. Stay away if you don't enjoy dealing damage.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''Passives are always a good value.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''The best talent of this tier by a hair. Solo / PvP focused players should skip.'' 

=== Improved Slam / Death Wish / Improved Intercept ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Slam_.2F_Death_Wish_.2F_Improved_Intercept Details]

'''Improved Slam''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''After reading the above, if you still plan on using slam, consider the talent. The original 1.5 speed isn't too bad to begin with, however.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Not a good benefit per talent point. Save yourself some grief and buy a passive talent elsewhere.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''Slam is interruptable.'' 

'''Death Wish''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''A very situational talent, but when that situation arises, you will be very glad you have it.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Only one point, but you're looking at a lot of fury points to get there.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Are you afraid of fear? You don't have to be.'' 

'''Improved Intercept''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Like the skill, but many people can live with the non-talent cooldown.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''Not bad as far as benefit per talent point, but it's up there in the fury tree.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 5/10 (1 person rating) 
''Either indispensible or worthless. How much do you enjoy killing players?'' 

=== Improved Berserker Rage / Flurry ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Improved_Berserker_Rage_.2F_Flurry Details]

'''Improved Berserker Rage''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 4/10 (1 person rating) 
''A very situational talent, and when the situation arrives, it may still not help that much.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''By this point in the talent tree, points are scarce, and you should really consider flurry instead if there's any question of a tradeoff.'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''If I ever play a warlock, I'll remember to re-fear warriors 17 seconds later...'' 

'''Flurry'''
*'''Utility Rank:''' 8/10 (1 person rating) 
''A passive that results in better damage over time.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 6/10 (1 person rating) 
''All those wonderful arms talents that boost critical hit % are just out of reach... sush a shame. If you get this talent and haven't gotten cruelty, you probably should go back to the Hello Kitty MMORPG. (note: I like Kitty as much as the next guy, I just don't think many of her fans understand the word "synergy".)'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 7/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you chose not to get Mortal Strike, this isn't a bad cornerstone of an alternate talent build.'' 

=== Bloodthirst ===
[http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Warrior_Fury_Talents#Bloodthirst Details]

'''Bloodthirst''' 
*'''Utility Rank:''' 3/10 (1 person rating) 
''If you get the killing blow (doubtful in a group), you'd better hustle to get that next attack in because the bloodthirst state wears off quickly.'' 
*'''Cost Rank:''' 1/10 (1 person rating) 
''Yes, it's 1 more point, but by taking it you are losing all possibility of either concussion blow or sweeping strikes. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!?'' 
*'''Overall Rank:''' 2/10 (1 person rating) 
''Just because it's at the top of the talent tree doesn't mean it's good (as we'll see in protection too).'' 

== PROTECTION ==
--UNDER CONSTRUCTION--

=== Shield Specialization / Anticipation ===

=== Improved Bloodrage / Toughness / Iron Will ===

=== Last Stand / Improved Shield Block / Improved Revenge / Defiance ===

=== Improved Sunder Armor / Improved Disarm / Improved Taunt ===

=== Improved Shield Wall / Improved Shield Bash / Concussion Blow ===

=== One-Handed Weapon Specialization ===

=== Shield Discipline ===

--UNDER CONSTRUCTION--

Back to [[Warrior]] Index.

Rogue Talents

2005-02-22T02:51:13Z

Artega: /* Tier 5 - Blade Flurry/Fist Weapon Spec/Mace Spec/Sword Spec */

This page is formatted with rogue talents listed by skill and tier. Comments follow talents in italics.

==Assassination==

===Tier 1 - Improved Eviscerate/Malice/Remorseless Attacks===

'''Improved Eviscerate'''

Increases Eviscerate damage by 5% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''This is a key Talent in many builds. 15% more damage to your most used Finishing move and you cannot go wrong.''

'''Malice'''

Increases your critical strike chance by 1% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''This is a great Talent for builds where critical hits are important.'' 
''If you're considering Dagger Spec, get this first - it does the same thing, but isn't restricted to daggers'' - Malaclypse

'''Remorseless Attacks'''

After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives 8% critical strike chance per rank for each of 5 ranks on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike 
''This is useful when you are killing a large number of relatively weak enemies.''

===Tier 2 - Improved Slice and Dice/Murder/Ruthlessness===

'''Improved Slice and Dice'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Assassination

Increases duration of Slice and Dice by 15% per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''This is of very limited use. The default duration of Slice and Dice seems to be just fine.''

'''Murder'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Assassination

Increases chance to hit with Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot by 3% for 1 rank or 5% for 2 ranks 
''This is quite useful. You want a high chance of your openers hitting.''

'''Ruthlessness'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Assassination

Gives your finishing moves a 20% chance per rank for each of 5 ranks to add a combo point to your target. 
''Another good one. More combo points means faster finishers for more damage.''

===Tier 3 - Lethality/Improved Expose Armor/Relentless Strikes===

'''Lethality'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Malice, 10 pts in Assassination

Increases critical strike damage of Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ambush, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage by 6% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''Very very useful. Rogue crits are in the 75-200% extra damage range. Rogue crits seem to happen about 10% of the time at the default rate. Mix that with crit chance boosting Talents and you can do monster damage.''

'''Improved Expose Armor'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Assassination

Increases armor reduction of Expose Armor by 15% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''Expose Armor has limited use as it does not stack with the Warrior armor class reduction talent. You have better things to spend both combo points and Talent points. Give this one a pass.''

'''Relentless Strikes'''

Prereqs: 3 pts in Ruthlessness, 10 pts in Assassination

Finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy 
''There are mixed schools of thought on this one. More energy is good. It may be a bit buggy with some finishing moves not triggering this Talent. Needs more observation.''

===Tier 4 - Improved Instant Poison/Vile Poisons===

'''Improved Instant Poison'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Assassination

Increases chance to apply Instant Poison by 2% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Not so useful a skill. Applying poisons does not appear to be a problem.''

'''Vile Poisons'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Assassination

Increases damage dealt by your poisons by 3% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''This is a semi-useful Talent. It does increase your overall average DPS when using Poisons. It is often easy to find more valuable places to put your Talent points. Many builds use one point to get to Cold Blood.''

===Tier 5 - Cold Blood/Improved Deadly Poison/Improved Kidney Shot===

'''Cold Blood'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Assassination 
Instant cast 
3 minute cooldown

Increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100% 
''Guaranteed crits. What more needs to be said? This is a key talent in the Assassination tree.''

'''Improved Deadly Poison'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Assassination

Increases the chance to apply Deadly Poison to your target by 3% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''See the Improved Instant Poison Talent discussion. Same applies here. Only for poison fanatics.''

'''Improved Kidney Shot'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Assassination

Reduces cooldown of Kidney Shot by 2s/4s/5s for ranks 1/2/3 
''Good for stun based builds. Otherwise it is very far into the tree to improve a skill that would be used in place of Eviscerate.''

===Tier 6 - Seal Fate===

'''Seal Fate'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Assassination

Critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 20% chance per rank for each of 5 ranks, of adding an additional combo point

===Tier 7 - Vigor===

'''Vigor'''

Prereq: 30 pts in Assassination

Increases your maximum Energy by 10
''The best of the 30 point Rogue Talents. That's not saying much.''

==Combat==

===Tier 1 - Improved Gouge/Improved Sinister Strike/Lightning Reflexes===

'''Improved Gouge'''

Increases duration of gouge by 0.5s per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''Gouge is one of the Rogues few means of CC. This can improve that ability. However, most people play Rogues as damage machines.''

'''Improved Sinister Strike'''

Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike by 3 for 1 rank or 5 for 2 ranks 
''Almost every Rogue should have this Talent. There are very very few builds that will not have this. You will probably use this skill more any other skill. Making it cheaper is good buy it first. Look at a fight beginning with 100 energy without ISS: you make SS at seconds 0, 1.5, 4, 8. With 2 ranks of ISS: 0, 1.5, 3, 6 - a full 2 seconds faster to get 4 SSs in and 4 combo points''

'''Lightning Reflexes'''

Increases chance to dodge by 1% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''Very good Talent for a defensive Rogue. Not a bad overall Talent.''

===Tier 2 - Deflection/Improved Backstab/Precision===

'''Deflection'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Combat

Increases parry chance by 1% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Another good Talent for a defensive Rogue and a pre-req for Riposte.''

'''Improved Backstab'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Combat

Increases the critical strike chance of backstab by 10% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''This is a great skill for a Rogue in a group. You will be backstabbing your heart out come instance groups. Not so useful in one on one combat however.''

''This is an integer addition to your base crit chance (e.g. 10% crit becomes 40% crit, not 19% crit.) - Artega''

'''Precision'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Combat

Increases chance to hit with melee weapons by 1% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''This is a decent Talent for a Combat build Rogue.''

===Tier 3 - Improved Evasion/Improved Sprint/Riposte===

'''Improved Evasion'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Combat

Increases the duration of evasion by 2s for 1 rank or 4s for 2 ranks 
''A nice to have kind of skill. Preparation is better in every way however.''

'''Improved Sprint'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Combat

Reduces cooldown of your Sprint by 30 seconds per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''See Improved Evasion.''

'''Riposte'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Deflection, 10 pts in Combat 
10 Energy 
Instant Cast 
6 second cooldown 
5 yd range

A strike that becomes active after parrying. Deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 seconds 
''Good for a defensive build Rogue. Only useful when fighting one on one.''

===Tier 4 - Dagger Spec/Dual Wield Spec/Improved Kick===

'''Dagger Specialization'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Combat

Increases critical strike chance with daggers by 1% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Would be nice to have for a dagger based build. Unfortunately it is very hard to work into such a build.''

'''Dual Wield Specialization'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Precision, 15 pts in Combat

Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 10% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Useful combat build Talent. Overall increase in DPS is pretty low however.''

'''Improved Kick'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Combat

Gives your kick 50% chance per rank, for each of 2 ranks, to silence the target for 2 seconds 
''This is a great Talent to get if you can. Very useful in AvH and when fighting caster mobs.''

===Tier 5 - Blade Flurry/Fist Weapon Spec/Mace Spec/Sword Spec===

'''Blade Flurry'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat 
25 Energy 
Instant cast 
2 minute cooldown 
Requires melee weapon

Increases attack speed by 20%. Attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15s 
''Can be worked into some Combat builds.''

''Think of it as Sweeping Strikes on steroids. It's very powerful when grinding or farming, but it's not really the best talent for groups or PvP. Consider buying it early on to help level faster, then spec out of it at a later date. -Artega''

'''Fist Weapon Specialization'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat

Increases critical strike chance with fist weapons by 1% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Only for the very rare fist weapon Rogue.''

'''Mace Specialization'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat

Gives a 1%/2%/3%/4%/6% chance for ranks 1/2/3/4/5 to stun your target for 3 seconds with a mace. 
''Great Talent for stun based builds. Just remember that if you are not using a dagger you give up many Rogue abilities.''

'''Sword Specialization'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat

Gives a 1%/2%/3%/4%/6% chance for ranks 1/2/3/4/5 to get an extra attack after dealing damage with your Sword 
''This is a very good Talent for a combat build. More attacks means more chances for crits and overall more damage. Same caveat applies here as to the Mace Talent as far as daggers goes.''

===Tier 6 - Aggression/Throwing Weapon Spec===

'''Aggression'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Combat

Increases damage of Sinister Strike and Eviscerate by 2% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''Very good Talent for combat builds.''

'''Throwing Weapon Specialization'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Combat

Increases the damage of your throwing weapons by 10% for 1st rank and range by 10 yds for 2nd rank 
''This is virtually useless.''

===Tier 7 - Adrenaline Rush===

'''Adrenaline Rush'''

Prereq: 30 pts in Combat 
Instant Cast 
6 minute cooldown

Increases energy regen by 100% for 15s 
''The second most useful 30 point Talent.''

==Subtlety==

===Tier 1 - Camouflage/Master of Deception/Rapid Concealment===

'''Camouflage'''

Increases speed while stealthed by 3% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''You will still move slower than anyone else. COuld be useful in a stealther vs stealther situation.''

'''Master of Deception'''

Reduces chance to be detected when in Stealth mode. 5 ranks of increasing effect 
''This is the default tier 1 Subtlety Talent.'' 
''Apparently each rank adds [the equivalent of] +3 Subtlety; 5 ranks is the equivalent of being 3 levels higher for stealth purposes'' - Malaclypse

'''Rapid Concealment'''

Reduces cooldown of Stealth by 1s per rank for each of 5 seconds 
''Preparation is better in every way.''

===Tier 2 - Elusiveness/Opportunity===

'''Elusiveness'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Subtlety

Reduces the cooldown of your evasion, vanish, and blind abilities by 15 seconds per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Preparation is the way to go.''

'''Opportunity'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Subtlety

Increases damage dealt with Backstab, Garrote, or Ambush by 4% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''Another great Rogue Talent. Bigger Backstabs and Ambushes rock.''

===Tier 3 - Ghostly Strike/Improved Ambush/Improved Garrote/Initiative===

'''Ghostly Strike'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Subtlety 
50 Energy 
Instant cast 
20 second cooldown 
5 yd range

Strike that deals 125% weapon damage, awards 1 combo point, and increases chance to dodge by 15% for 7 seconds 
''Not much to say about this one. It is rarely seen in many popular Talent templates.''

'''Improved Ambush'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Opportunity, 10 pts in Subtlety

Increases critical strike chance of ambush by 15%/30%/40% for ranks 1/2/3 
''Very nice Talent. 40% higher chance for the biggest opener to crit. Unless you are going for a sword and mace build, ambush is probably your best opener. With this talent even level mobs are often knocked down to half to 2/3 their health with your first swing. ''

'''Improved Garrote'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Opportunity, 10 pts in Subtlety

Increases duration of Garrote by 3 seconds per rank, but reduced damage by 5% per rank for each of 2 ranks 
''Good Talent for a DoT build. Stack this with Hemorrhage and poison and your target has little chance.''

'''Initiative'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Subtlety

Gives a 15% chance per rank for each of 5 ranks, to add an addition combo point when using Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot 
''More combo points are good. They lead to finishing moves happening sooner.''

===Tier 4 - Improved Rupture/Improved Sap/Improved Vanish===

'''Improved Rupture'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Subtlety

Increases damage dealt by Rupture by 10% per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''Another Talent for the DoT build. Stack this with Garrotte, poison and Hemorrhage.''

'''Improved Sap'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Subtlety

Adds a 30% chance per rank, for each of 3 ranks, to return to stealth mode after using your Sap 
''This is the Talent groups will expect Rogues to bring into instances for CC.''

'''Improved Vanish'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Subtlety

Increases movement speed while vanished by 10% per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''Limited usefulness. You will not spend alot of time Vanished. If you are playing a hit and run type Assassin type of Rogue this could be useful.''

===Tier 5 - Improved Cheap Shot/Improved Distract/Preparation===

'''Improved Cheap Shot'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Subtlety

Reduces energy cost of Cheap Shot by 10 for 1 rank or 20 for 2 ranks 
''Very useful in many circumstances. Dagger based builds will open with Ambush, while DoT builds open with Garrote. Cheap shot with ICS would make a great opener for a non-dagger build: Cheap shot, a couple or three sinister strikes, and a kidney shot to restun the opponent.''

'''Improved Distract'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Subtlety

Increases radius of Distract by 3 yds for 1 rank or 5 yds for 2 ranks 
''Distract works just fine without this Talent.''

'''Preparation'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Subtlety

Instant cast

10 minute cooldown

Immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities 
''Insane things can be done here. Two ambushes and two kidney shots in one fight. Get this one if you can. ''

===Tier 6 - Hemorrhage/Setup===

'''Hemorrhage'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Subtlety 
35 Energy 
Instant cast 
5 yd range 
Requires melee weapon

Strike that damages the opponent, awards 1 combo point, and applies debuff that increases physical damage taken by up to (3 - 7). Lasts for 30 strikes or 15 seconds. 
''Useful for the DoT build. Otherwise avoid it.''

'''Setup'''

Prereqs: 1 pt in Ghostly Strike, 25 pts in Subtlety

15% chance per rank for each of 3 ranks, of adding a combo point to a target after dodging their attack 
''Could be useful if you plan on tanking or in a defensive build.''

===Tier 7 - Premeditation===

'''Premeditation'''

Prereq: 30 pts in Subtlety 
10 Energy 
1 second cast 
2 minute cooldown 
5 yd range 
Requires Stealth

Adds 2 combo points to your target. Must engage target within 5 seconds or combo points are lost 
''Combo points are good. 30 point pre-reqs are not.''

Rogue Talents

2005-02-22T02:47:50Z

Artega: /* Tier 2 - Deflection/Improved Backstab/Precision */

This page is formatted with rogue talents listed by skill and tier. Comments follow talents in italics.

==Assassination==

===Tier 1 - Improved Eviscerate/Malice/Remorseless Attacks===

'''Improved Eviscerate'''

Increases Eviscerate damage by 5% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''This is a key Talent in many builds. 15% more damage to your most used Finishing move and you cannot go wrong.''

'''Malice'''

Increases your critical strike chance by 1% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''This is a great Talent for builds where critical hits are important.'' 
''If you're considering Dagger Spec, get this first - it does the same thing, but isn't restricted to daggers'' - Malaclypse

'''Remorseless Attacks'''

After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives 8% critical strike chance per rank for each of 5 ranks on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike 
''This is useful when you are killing a large number of relatively weak enemies.''

===Tier 2 - Improved Slice and Dice/Murder/Ruthlessness===

'''Improved Slice and Dice'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Assassination

Increases duration of Slice and Dice by 15% per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''This is of very limited use. The default duration of Slice and Dice seems to be just fine.''

'''Murder'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Assassination

Increases chance to hit with Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot by 3% for 1 rank or 5% for 2 ranks 
''This is quite useful. You want a high chance of your openers hitting.''

'''Ruthlessness'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Assassination

Gives your finishing moves a 20% chance per rank for each of 5 ranks to add a combo point to your target. 
''Another good one. More combo points means faster finishers for more damage.''

===Tier 3 - Lethality/Improved Expose Armor/Relentless Strikes===

'''Lethality'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Malice, 10 pts in Assassination

Increases critical strike damage of Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ambush, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage by 6% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''Very very useful. Rogue crits are in the 75-200% extra damage range. Rogue crits seem to happen about 10% of the time at the default rate. Mix that with crit chance boosting Talents and you can do monster damage.''

'''Improved Expose Armor'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Assassination

Increases armor reduction of Expose Armor by 15% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''Expose Armor has limited use as it does not stack with the Warrior armor class reduction talent. You have better things to spend both combo points and Talent points. Give this one a pass.''

'''Relentless Strikes'''

Prereqs: 3 pts in Ruthlessness, 10 pts in Assassination

Finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy 
''There are mixed schools of thought on this one. More energy is good. It may be a bit buggy with some finishing moves not triggering this Talent. Needs more observation.''

===Tier 4 - Improved Instant Poison/Vile Poisons===

'''Improved Instant Poison'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Assassination

Increases chance to apply Instant Poison by 2% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Not so useful a skill. Applying poisons does not appear to be a problem.''

'''Vile Poisons'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Assassination

Increases damage dealt by your poisons by 3% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''This is a semi-useful Talent. It does increase your overall average DPS when using Poisons. It is often easy to find more valuable places to put your Talent points. Many builds use one point to get to Cold Blood.''

===Tier 5 - Cold Blood/Improved Deadly Poison/Improved Kidney Shot===

'''Cold Blood'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Assassination 
Instant cast 
3 minute cooldown

Increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100% 
''Guaranteed crits. What more needs to be said? This is a key talent in the Assassination tree.''

'''Improved Deadly Poison'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Assassination

Increases the chance to apply Deadly Poison to your target by 3% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''See the Improved Instant Poison Talent discussion. Same applies here. Only for poison fanatics.''

'''Improved Kidney Shot'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Assassination

Reduces cooldown of Kidney Shot by 2s/4s/5s for ranks 1/2/3 
''Good for stun based builds. Otherwise it is very far into the tree to improve a skill that would be used in place of Eviscerate.''

===Tier 6 - Seal Fate===

'''Seal Fate'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Assassination

Critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 20% chance per rank for each of 5 ranks, of adding an additional combo point

===Tier 7 - Vigor===

'''Vigor'''

Prereq: 30 pts in Assassination

Increases your maximum Energy by 10
''The best of the 30 point Rogue Talents. That's not saying much.''

==Combat==

===Tier 1 - Improved Gouge/Improved Sinister Strike/Lightning Reflexes===

'''Improved Gouge'''

Increases duration of gouge by 0.5s per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''Gouge is one of the Rogues few means of CC. This can improve that ability. However, most people play Rogues as damage machines.''

'''Improved Sinister Strike'''

Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike by 3 for 1 rank or 5 for 2 ranks 
''Almost every Rogue should have this Talent. There are very very few builds that will not have this. You will probably use this skill more any other skill. Making it cheaper is good buy it first. Look at a fight beginning with 100 energy without ISS: you make SS at seconds 0, 1.5, 4, 8. With 2 ranks of ISS: 0, 1.5, 3, 6 - a full 2 seconds faster to get 4 SSs in and 4 combo points''

'''Lightning Reflexes'''

Increases chance to dodge by 1% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''Very good Talent for a defensive Rogue. Not a bad overall Talent.''

===Tier 2 - Deflection/Improved Backstab/Precision===

'''Deflection'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Combat

Increases parry chance by 1% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Another good Talent for a defensive Rogue and a pre-req for Riposte.''

'''Improved Backstab'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Combat

Increases the critical strike chance of backstab by 10% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''This is a great skill for a Rogue in a group. You will be backstabbing your heart out come instance groups. Not so useful in one on one combat however.''

''This is an integer addition to your base crit chance (e.g. 10% crit becomes 40% crit, not 19% crit.) - Artega''

'''Precision'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Combat

Increases chance to hit with melee weapons by 1% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''This is a decent Talent for a Combat build Rogue.''

===Tier 3 - Improved Evasion/Improved Sprint/Riposte===

'''Improved Evasion'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Combat

Increases the duration of evasion by 2s for 1 rank or 4s for 2 ranks 
''A nice to have kind of skill. Preparation is better in every way however.''

'''Improved Sprint'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Combat

Reduces cooldown of your Sprint by 30 seconds per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''See Improved Evasion.''

'''Riposte'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Deflection, 10 pts in Combat 
10 Energy 
Instant Cast 
6 second cooldown 
5 yd range

A strike that becomes active after parrying. Deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 seconds 
''Good for a defensive build Rogue. Only useful when fighting one on one.''

===Tier 4 - Dagger Spec/Dual Wield Spec/Improved Kick===

'''Dagger Specialization'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Combat

Increases critical strike chance with daggers by 1% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Would be nice to have for a dagger based build. Unfortunately it is very hard to work into such a build.''

'''Dual Wield Specialization'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Precision, 15 pts in Combat

Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 10% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Useful combat build Talent. Overall increase in DPS is pretty low however.''

'''Improved Kick'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Combat

Gives your kick 50% chance per rank, for each of 2 ranks, to silence the target for 2 seconds 
''This is a great Talent to get if you can. Very useful in AvH and when fighting caster mobs.''

===Tier 5 - Blade Flurry/Fist Weapon Spec/Mace Spec/Sword Spec===

'''Blade Flurry'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat 
25 Energy 
Instant cast 
2 minute cooldown 
Requires melee weapon

Increases attack speed by 20%. Attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15s 
''Can be worked into some Combat builds.''

'''Fist Weapon Specialization'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat

Increases critical strike chance with fist weapons by 1% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Only for the very rare fist weapon Rogue.''

'''Mace Specialization'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat

Gives a 1%/2%/3%/4%/6% chance for ranks 1/2/3/4/5 to stun your target for 3 seconds with a mace. 
''Great Talent for stun based builds. Just remember that if you are not using a dagger you give up many Rogue abilities.''

'''Sword Specialization'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Combat

Gives a 1%/2%/3%/4%/6% chance for ranks 1/2/3/4/5 to get an extra attack after dealing damage with your Sword 
''This is a very good Talent for a combat build. More attacks means more chances for crits and overall more damage. Same caveat applies here as to the Mace Talent as far as daggers goes.''

===Tier 6 - Aggression/Throwing Weapon Spec===

'''Aggression'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Combat

Increases damage of Sinister Strike and Eviscerate by 2% per rank for up to 3 ranks 
''Very good Talent for combat builds.''

'''Throwing Weapon Specialization'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Combat

Increases the damage of your throwing weapons by 10% for 1st rank and range by 10 yds for 2nd rank 
''This is virtually useless.''

===Tier 7 - Adrenaline Rush===

'''Adrenaline Rush'''

Prereq: 30 pts in Combat 
Instant Cast 
6 minute cooldown

Increases energy regen by 100% for 15s 
''The second most useful 30 point Talent.''

==Subtlety==

===Tier 1 - Camouflage/Master of Deception/Rapid Concealment===

'''Camouflage'''

Increases speed while stealthed by 3% per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''You will still move slower than anyone else. COuld be useful in a stealther vs stealther situation.''

'''Master of Deception'''

Reduces chance to be detected when in Stealth mode. 5 ranks of increasing effect 
''This is the default tier 1 Subtlety Talent.'' 
''Apparently each rank adds [the equivalent of] +3 Subtlety; 5 ranks is the equivalent of being 3 levels higher for stealth purposes'' - Malaclypse

'''Rapid Concealment'''

Reduces cooldown of Stealth by 1s per rank for each of 5 seconds 
''Preparation is better in every way.''

===Tier 2 - Elusiveness/Opportunity===

'''Elusiveness'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Subtlety

Reduces the cooldown of your evasion, vanish, and blind abilities by 15 seconds per rank for up to 5 ranks 
''Preparation is the way to go.''

'''Opportunity'''

Prereq: 5 pts in Subtlety

Increases damage dealt with Backstab, Garrote, or Ambush by 4% per rank for each of 5 ranks 
''Another great Rogue Talent. Bigger Backstabs and Ambushes rock.''

===Tier 3 - Ghostly Strike/Improved Ambush/Improved Garrote/Initiative===

'''Ghostly Strike'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Subtlety 
50 Energy 
Instant cast 
20 second cooldown 
5 yd range

Strike that deals 125% weapon damage, awards 1 combo point, and increases chance to dodge by 15% for 7 seconds 
''Not much to say about this one. It is rarely seen in many popular Talent templates.''

'''Improved Ambush'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Opportunity, 10 pts in Subtlety

Increases critical strike chance of ambush by 15%/30%/40% for ranks 1/2/3 
''Very nice Talent. 40% higher chance for the biggest opener to crit. Unless you are going for a sword and mace build, ambush is probably your best opener. With this talent even level mobs are often knocked down to half to 2/3 their health with your first swing. ''

'''Improved Garrote'''

Prereqs: 5 pts in Opportunity, 10 pts in Subtlety

Increases duration of Garrote by 3 seconds per rank, but reduced damage by 5% per rank for each of 2 ranks 
''Good Talent for a DoT build. Stack this with Hemorrhage and poison and your target has little chance.''

'''Initiative'''

Prereq: 10 pts in Subtlety

Gives a 15% chance per rank for each of 5 ranks, to add an addition combo point when using Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot 
''More combo points are good. They lead to finishing moves happening sooner.''

===Tier 4 - Improved Rupture/Improved Sap/Improved Vanish===

'''Improved Rupture'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Subtlety

Increases damage dealt by Rupture by 10% per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''Another Talent for the DoT build. Stack this with Garrotte, poison and Hemorrhage.''

'''Improved Sap'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Subtlety

Adds a 30% chance per rank, for each of 3 ranks, to return to stealth mode after using your Sap 
''This is the Talent groups will expect Rogues to bring into instances for CC.''

'''Improved Vanish'''

Prereq: 15 pts in Subtlety

Increases movement speed while vanished by 10% per rank for each of 3 ranks 
''Limited usefulness. You will not spend alot of time Vanished. If you are playing a hit and run type Assassin type of Rogue this could be useful.''

===Tier 5 - Improved Cheap Shot/Improved Distract/Preparation===

'''Improved Cheap Shot'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Subtlety

Reduces energy cost of Cheap Shot by 10 for 1 rank or 20 for 2 ranks 
''Very useful in many circumstances. Dagger based builds will open with Ambush, while DoT builds open with Garrote. Cheap shot with ICS would make a great opener for a non-dagger build: Cheap shot, a couple or three sinister strikes, and a kidney shot to restun the opponent.''

'''Improved Distract'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Subtlety

Increases radius of Distract by 3 yds for 1 rank or 5 yds for 2 ranks 
''Distract works just fine without this Talent.''

'''Preparation'''

Prereq: 20 pts in Subtlety

Instant cast

10 minute cooldown

Immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities 
''Insane things can be done here. Two ambushes and two kidney shots in one fight. Get this one if you can. ''

===Tier 6 - Hemorrhage/Setup===

'''Hemorrhage'''

Prereq: 25 pts in Subtlety 
35 Energy 
Instant cast 
5 yd range 
Requires melee weapon

Strike that damages the opponent, awards 1 combo point, and applies debuff that increases physical damage taken by up to (3 - 7). Lasts for 30 strikes or 15 seconds. 
''Useful for the DoT build. Otherwise avoid it.''

'''Setup'''

Prereqs: 1 pt in Ghostly Strike, 25 pts in Subtlety

15% chance per rank for each of 3 ranks, of adding a combo point to a target after dodging their attack 
''Could be useful if you plan on tanking or in a defensive build.''

===Tier 7 - Premeditation===

'''Premeditation'''

Prereq: 30 pts in Subtlety 
10 Energy 
1 second cast 
2 minute cooldown 
5 yd range 
Requires Stealth

Adds 2 combo points to your target. Must engage target within 5 seconds or combo points are lost 
''Combo points are good. 30 point pre-reqs are not.''

Talk:World of Warcraft

2005-02-22T02:43:32Z

Artega: /* Comments about the BasinWiki */

== Comments about the BasinWiki ==

''"I think the BasinWiki is awesome!"'' -Drake

Agreed!

Would it also be possible to add the geographical regions on the list, where, over time, one could compile quests and their levels? Or simply put links to other places where such information can be provided. - Sjur

Can we get the instances added to the left navigation pane? - Jini

Would a section on game mechanics be useful? I found some nice info on starting hp and how they go up as your stamina goes up, for example. - Spatten 
''Wouldn't hurt, go ahead and put it up.'' - TacoSupreme

Anyone good with macros and/or minor ui mods? The wiki's coming along well, I hope to see it become the repository of all knowledge (since I can browse it from behind my office's draconian firewall :ninja:) ~Staarkhand

---
I redid the dagger links to Thottbott in the Rogue level 1-9 section. Were the item numbers over there changed with the move from beta to live? All of the old dagger links seemed to be off.

-Rana
---

All item links changed between beta and live. It really helps when folks go in to fix them. --[[User:Jini|Jini]]

The level ranges associated with the instance are the level ranges of the elite mobs found inside from lowest to highest. This is why Onyxia is listed as 41-62. There are actually level 41 elites in there, at least according to Thottbot. --[[User:Jini|Jini]]

A thought about describing talents: Instead of saying something like "5% per rank", or "1% at rank 1, 7% at rank 2" and whatnot, it might be simpler to do 5%/10%/15%/20%/25%, with each number representing the next rank. - Artega

Classic (Tichondrius)

2004-12-08T00:39:35Z

Artega: /* '''Skinning''' */

This is for info on Tichondrius (PvP) tradespeople in the Basin. Are you looking for [[Tradeskills on Stormrage]]?

Format: Forum name - Character name [Level]

=='''Professions'''==
 
==='''Alchemy'''===
Bloodfly – Darwin 
SpearStriker - Baroch 
Staarkhand – Staark 
Rick – Jakther 
Vittori – vittori 
Terrik – Deadterrik 
Malphigian – Malphul 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl [85] 
Helmar – Helmar [204] 

==='''Blacksmithing'''===
Champain - Champain 
JcL – Jay 
Sardaukar – Sardaukar 
Dezz – Dezz [95] 
Sjur – Sjur [0] 
SlikkRikk – Greynok [60] 
Terrik – Deadterrik 

==='''Enchanting'''===
Bunny Lebowski – Harue 
Mashunit – Mashamoonit 

==='''Engineering'''===
Nvts – Nvts [40] 
E.L.- Alita [200] 
TacoSupreme – Kevisa 
Drezen – Willheal 
Elyvin – Diest [50] 
Baneon – Baneon [120] 
Drust – Drust 
Elegantly - Elegantly 
Sheena – Sheena 
==='''Leatherworking'''===
Drake – Drak [155] 
Hasta – Hasta 
Moridin - ishmael 
Caolle - Grok 
Nekkid – Nekkid [142] 
SnowDog – Snjarvarg 
Solidwolf – Megrimlock 
Trix - Kall - [1xx]

==='''Tailoring'''===
Cathan – Cathan 
Bunny Lebowski – Harue 
Septra – Septra 
Elyvin – Diest [160] 
Djhaigh – Stark [130] 
Crazycarl – Blastycarl [85] 
Mashunit – Mashamoonit [45] 

== Collection skills==

==='''Herbalism'''===
Cosmeg – Kalfu 
Staarkhand - Staark 
PiercingEagle – Earthon 
Vittori – vittori 
Terrik – Deadterrik 
Malphigian - Malphul 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl 100 
Helmar – Helmar 

==='''Mining'''===
Nvts – Nvts [80] 
Olon97 – Olona [128] 
E.L. – Alita [161] 
Champain – Champain 
TacoSupreme – Kevisa 
JcL – Jay 
Drezen – Willheal 
Sardaukar - Sardaukar 
Nekkid – Vandyll 
Perith – perith [70] 
PiercingEagle – Earthon 
Dezz – Dezz [120] 
Sjur – Sjur [65] 
Baneon – Baneon [91] 
Drust – Drust 
SlikkRikk – Greynok [100] 
Elegantly - Elegantly 
Terrik – Deadterrik 
Sheena – Sheena 

==='''Skinning'''===
Olon97 – Olona [206] 
Drake – Drak [180] 
Cosmeg – Kalfu 
Hasta – Hasta 
Moridin – Ishmael 
Caolle – Grok 
Nekkid – Nekkid 165 
Cathan – Cathan 
Perith – perith 122 
SnowDog – Snjarvarg 
Solidwolf – Megrimlock 
Trix - Kall [1xx]

=='''Secondary Skills:'''==

==='''Cooking'''===
Nvts – Nvts [20] 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl [125] 

==='''First Aid'''===
Nvts – Nvts [100] 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl [90] 
Sheena – Sheena [100] 
E.L.- Alita [100] 

==='''Fishing'''===
Olon97 – Olona [176] 
Nvts – Nvts - [30] 
Sjur – Sjur [201] 
Crazycarl – Blastycarl [150] 
E.L.- Alita [151]

Classic (Tichondrius)

2004-12-08T00:39:05Z

Artega: /* '''Leatherworking''' */

This is for info on Tichondrius (PvP) tradespeople in the Basin. Are you looking for [[Tradeskills on Stormrage]]?

Format: Forum name - Character name [Level]

=='''Professions'''==
 
==='''Alchemy'''===
Bloodfly – Darwin 
SpearStriker - Baroch 
Staarkhand – Staark 
Rick – Jakther 
Vittori – vittori 
Terrik – Deadterrik 
Malphigian – Malphul 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl [85] 
Helmar – Helmar [204] 

==='''Blacksmithing'''===
Champain - Champain 
JcL – Jay 
Sardaukar – Sardaukar 
Dezz – Dezz [95] 
Sjur – Sjur [0] 
SlikkRikk – Greynok [60] 
Terrik – Deadterrik 

==='''Enchanting'''===
Bunny Lebowski – Harue 
Mashunit – Mashamoonit 

==='''Engineering'''===
Nvts – Nvts [40] 
E.L.- Alita [200] 
TacoSupreme – Kevisa 
Drezen – Willheal 
Elyvin – Diest [50] 
Baneon – Baneon [120] 
Drust – Drust 
Elegantly - Elegantly 
Sheena – Sheena 
==='''Leatherworking'''===
Drake – Drak [155] 
Hasta – Hasta 
Moridin - ishmael 
Caolle - Grok 
Nekkid – Nekkid [142] 
SnowDog – Snjarvarg 
Solidwolf – Megrimlock 
Trix - Kall - [1xx]

==='''Tailoring'''===
Cathan – Cathan 
Bunny Lebowski – Harue 
Septra – Septra 
Elyvin – Diest [160] 
Djhaigh – Stark [130] 
Crazycarl – Blastycarl [85] 
Mashunit – Mashamoonit [45] 

== Collection skills==

==='''Herbalism'''===
Cosmeg – Kalfu 
Staarkhand - Staark 
PiercingEagle – Earthon 
Vittori – vittori 
Terrik – Deadterrik 
Malphigian - Malphul 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl 100 
Helmar – Helmar 

==='''Mining'''===
Nvts – Nvts [80] 
Olon97 – Olona [128] 
E.L. – Alita [161] 
Champain – Champain 
TacoSupreme – Kevisa 
JcL – Jay 
Drezen – Willheal 
Sardaukar - Sardaukar 
Nekkid – Vandyll 
Perith – perith [70] 
PiercingEagle – Earthon 
Dezz – Dezz [120] 
Sjur – Sjur [65] 
Baneon – Baneon [91] 
Drust – Drust 
SlikkRikk – Greynok [100] 
Elegantly - Elegantly 
Terrik – Deadterrik 
Sheena – Sheena 

==='''Skinning'''===
Olon97 – Olona [206] 
Drake – Drak [180] 
Cosmeg – Kalfu 
Hasta – Hasta 
Moridin – Ishmael 
Caolle – Grok 
Nekkid – Nekkid 165 
Cathan – Cathan 
Perith – perith 122 
SnowDog – Snjarvarg 
Solidwolf – Megrimlock 
=='''Secondary Skills:'''==

==='''Cooking'''===
Nvts – Nvts [20] 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl [125] 

==='''First Aid'''===
Nvts – Nvts [100] 
Crazycarl – Crazycarl [90] 
Sheena – Sheena [100] 
E.L.- Alita [100] 

==='''Fishing'''===
Olon97 – Olona [176] 
Nvts – Nvts - [30] 
Sjur – Sjur [201] 
Crazycarl – Blastycarl [150] 
E.L.- Alita [151]