User:Staarkhand - Revision history

Staarkhand: Updated UI links

2005-03-08T05:17:35Z

Updated UI links

FierebladE: Added links to my current UI conglomerate

2005-02-20T09:27:57Z

Added links to my current UI conglomerate

FierebladE: Filled in some missing in from weapon comparison

2005-02-01T16:49:59Z

Filled in some missing in from weapon comparison

FierebladE: Revised talent build/discussion - also added a weapon comparison of interest to rogues

2005-01-31T20:52:35Z

Revised talent build/discussion - also added a weapon comparison of interest to rogues

FierebladE: My rogue build thoughts

2005-01-07T18:17:48Z

My rogue build thoughts

FierebladE at 02:41, 22 November 2004

2004-11-22T02:41:22Z

New page

Probably best to contact me through the [http://www.theamazonbasin.com/wow/forums/index.php?act=Msg&CODE=04&MID=61 Basin Boards]

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−	~~I'm currently experimenting with~~ [http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=298 Nurfed UI]~~, supplemented with~~ [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=16068&P=1 Telo's addons] ~~and~~ [http://capnbry.net/wow/ Capn Bry's tools] for weapon ~~swap and stance set~~.	+	Base:
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		+	[http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=298 Nurfed UI]
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		+	Supplements:
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		+	[http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=16068&P=1 Telo's addons]
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		+	[http://capnbry.net/wow/ Capn Bry's tools] Weapon Swap and Stance Sets for rogue weapon management
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		+	[http://www.cosmosui.org/downloads.php Weapon Button] Lifted from Cosmos
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		+	[http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=347 AvgXpPlus] XP Bar
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		+	[http://www.theamazonbasin.com/wow/forums/index.php?showtopic=2860 Forum Name] Shows Basin forum names, simple yet great
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		+	[http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=343 MonkeyQuest] I don't care too much for this, looking for a replacement
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		+	[http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=221 SmartPet] Great hunter tool, auto-enable/disable bite/claw autocast to maximize dps while saving enough energy to growl every time, autocower based on health %, pet low health warnings, more
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		+	[http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=330 RaidBar]

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 Prophetic - Tauren/Shaman<br>
 Serpentis - Orc/Hunter<br>
+Vesuvius - Undead/Mage<br>
 Staark hit 60 and redid talents for the first of what I'm sure will be many times - at this point I was basically fixing mistakes.  Over the course of later levels I've learned to like Imp Cheap Shot, consider Imp Rupture viable, and decided Imp Ambush wasn't going to work in groups - the damage is not a good trade off for the stun of CS.
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 It's worth noting that this comparison is mostly valid for the Barman Shanker, which is notably easier to get than Deathstriker - although the latter is hardly rare, and much easier to farm than a Molten Core drop.

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 My current spec is fairly vanilla and is historically derived from thinking about solo rogue PvP (only fighting with prep up, multiple vanishes/blinds/CBs/evasions), which I feel is a mistake - at least for the way I want to play - so I've been wanting to try something a bit different.  A revelation was that it's possible to go with a dagger build and Imp BS without using Ambush (the low utility of which had been a mental block to me when considering dagger builds).  The best way to do this is with Seal Fate 5/5, but the 8 points in Combat mean you really sacrifice Subtlety skills to get it.  That build would look something like 30A/8C/13S.  This would mean no Imp Sap, no Imp Rupture/CS, no Preparation and only 3/5 Inititive.  My thoughts on losing these talents:<br>
-Imp Sap: So far in instances this is a convenience only, especially in a raid, I'll have to PvP more but I suspect I'll never use it in a group.  Primarily a solo skill.<br>
+'''Imp Sap''': So far in instances this is a convenience only, especially in a raid, I'll have to PvP more but I suspect I'll never use it in a group.  For group instances it seems regular sap would work almost as well - usually you sap and the a sheep/charm lands right next to you as the warrior charges.  Else I've sapped then garrote pulled, so really Imp Sap has only helped when drying to double sap with a second rogue.  Less utility than I thought.<br>
-Imp Rupture: Currently Rupture is being hurt by the limit on status effects an enemy can have (for further enlightenment ask any Warlock).  I still think this is a great talent for high AC bosses but won't lose sleep over losing it as it's less likely to be used in group PvP.<br>
+'''Imp Rupture''': Currently Rupture is being hurt by the limit on status effects an enemy can have (for further enlightenment ask any Warlock).  I still think this is a great talent for high AC bosses but won't lose sleep over losing it as it's less likely to be used in group PvP.<br>
-Imp Cheap Shot:  This little beauty is really addictive as it allows you to CS, SS then gouge before the stun lifts (I can do this half the time with Imp CS 1/2, all the time with 2/2), or with 2/2 you can CS, SS, SS, and land a 5pt evis (75% of the time) just as the stun wears off.  But in groups, especially raids, this isn't nearly as important.  I can stand to lose it.<br>
+'''Imp Cheap Shot''':  This little beauty is really addictive as it allows you to CS, SS then gouge before the stun lifts (I can do this half the time with Imp CS 1/2, all the time with 2/2), or with 2/2 you can CS, SS, SS, and land a 5pt evis (75% of the time) just as the stun wears off.  But in groups, especially raids, this isn't nearly as important.  I can stand to lose it.<br>
-Inititive:  Extra combo points 45% of the time vs. 75% of the time from openers.  Unacceptable for the solo rogue opening every encounter from stealth and ending it quickly.  For the grouped rogue who only opens from stealth once a pull (discounting vanish), over time Seal Fate will give far more points (consider Imp Backstab will crit >50% with good gear).<br>
+'''Inititive''':  Extra combo points 45% of the time vs. 75% of the time from openers.  Unacceptable for the solo rogue opening every encounter from stealth and ending it quickly.  For the grouped rogue who only opens from stealth once a pull (discounting vanish), over time Seal Fate will give far more points (consider Imp Backstab will crit >50% with good gear).<br>
-Preparation:  This is a big hit.  The ability to use timed skills twice in the encounter of your choosing is incredible.  Leaving prep alone when out running around means you'll never lack an evasion for that add or a vanish for extra sticky situations.  With prep up a rogue can handle rediculous encounters with multiple blinds, vanishes, evasions, and cold bloods.  My initial reaction is that losing it is simply not an option, which is the reason I still have my current spec.  However, a voice in my head asks if my thinking is still geared towards the way I have been playing the game - almost exclusively solo/duo questing, and not towards the way I will be playing - full groups and raids.
+'''Preparation''':  This is a big hit.  The ability to use timed skills twice in the encounter of your choosing is incredible.  Leaving prep alone when out running around means you'll never lack an evasion for that add or a vanish for extra sticky situations.  With prep up a rogue can handle rediculous encounters with multiple blinds, vanishes, evasions, and cold bloods.  My initial reaction is that losing it is simply not an option, which is the reason I still have my current spec.  However, a voice in my head asks if my thinking is still geared towards the way I have been playing the game - almost exclusively solo/duo questing, and not towards the way I will be playing - full groups and raids.
 For now I only have an offhand dagger (fast), so it's a moot point.  When I get a nice one I might burn some gold on trying that build out - I don't need a faster mount anyhow.
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 Deathstriker.  When that proc goes it should be possible to get off evis (or SS), SS, and Evis again in 3 sec.  Seal Fate makes a big difference in that second Evis.
-That '''rediculous''' 47+ dps 2.9 speed (not a typo) mainhand sword that dropped in Molten Core this weekend really makes you want to try it out with SS.  But let's compare:
+That '''rediculous''' 47+ dps 2.9 speed (not a typo) Teebu's Flaming Longsword that dropped in Molten Core this weekend really makes you want to try it out with SS.  But let's compare:
 ===Weapon Comparison===
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-|+ BS with Deathstriker vs. SS with X's Flaming Longsword (real name inc)
+|+ BS with Deathstriker vs. SS with Teebu's Flaming Longsword
 |Comparing:||Deathstriker||Longsword
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-|DPS/Spd || 45.6/1.7 || 47.x/2.9
+|DPS/Spd || 45.6/1.7 || 47.2/2.9
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 |Average Damage|| 77.5 || 137
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-|Average SS Damage (x +72)|| (149.5) ''Won't be used in calculation'' || 209
+|Average SS Damage (x + 72)|| (149.5) ''Won't be used in calculation'' || 209
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 |Average BS Damage (1.5x + 210)|| 326.25 || n/a
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 |Opportunity Talent Modifier (+20% BS)||130.5||104.5
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-|Modified by crit % (assume 20% SS, 50% BS, average 100% crit [''help me out here with a better number especially considering 30% bonus from Lethality''])||195.75||125.4
+|Modified by crit % (assume 20% SS, 50% BS, average 130% crit with Lethality)||215.3||131.7
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 |Combo Points Generated (compare 3 SS with no Seal Fate to 2 BS with Seal Fate 5/5 and 50% crit)||3||3
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 Looks like daggers really stack up well even given this ungodly mainhand weapon.  And I haven't seen a dagger out there from Molten Core, so if only comes back with higher dps or especially with >1.7 speed it's definately all on.  The only consideration is how often you have the opportunity to BS (should be high % if you're nimble and not offtanking).
-It's worth noting that this comparison is mostly valid for the Barman Shanker, which is notably easier to get than Deathstriker - although the latter is hardly rare, and much easier to farm than a random Molten Core drop.
+It's worth noting that this comparison is mostly valid for the Barman Shanker, which is notably easier to get than Deathstriker - although the latter is hardly rare, and much easier to farm than a Molten Core drop.

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-Staark is moving towards a slight modificaiton of the popular [http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Ass/Sub_Builds Assasination/Sublety] build with cold blood, preparation, and as much seal fate as I can.  My final build isn't set in stone, and I'll probably spend some time and gold at 60 to figure out what works best.
+Staark hit 60 and redid talents for the first of what I'm sure will be many times - at this point I was basically fixing mistakes.  Over the course of later levels I've learned to like Imp Cheap Shot, consider Imp Rupture viable, and decided Imp Ambush wasn't going to work in groups - the damage is not a good trade off for the stun of CS.
-I'm not sure I can give up Imp SS, but I haven't tried without it, and 5/5 seal fate vs. 3/5 may change my mind.  Also I believe that for PvP I'll want to change from 5/5 Master of Deception to 5/5 Camouflage, with my experience showing that speed is king.
+===Current Build===
-For PvE I'm sticking with a sword/mace in mainhand with a weapon delay of at least 2.7.  Dagger off hand is mainly for stats and applying poisons, so I prefer 1.4 monkey blades.  Cheapshot to open, else garrote if I want to be able to pull a mob.  Occasionally vs high AC mobs I'll open with a garrote + (immediate) 2pt rupture, since fights vs. even levels don't often last long enough to really justify a 3pt, definitely not 4.
+===Considered Build===
-For endgame PvP I will make an honest effort to move away from the FoTM stun build I'm currently employing and use Imp Ambush/Backstab with [http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=14900 Barman Shanker], making extensive use of a weapon switch macro to load up a slow main hand (like everyone else I'll be looking for a [http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=8407 Krol Blade]).  This will let me use both approaches situationally.  My talent build will only sacrifice Hemmorage vs. the classic stun build.  Downside: I'll be looking for both of the most popular main hand weapons in the game - but I like PvE.
+Imp Sap: So far in instances this is a convenience only, especially in a raid, I'll have to PvP more but I suspect I'll never use it in a group.  Primarily a solo skill.<br>

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−	~~Probably best to contact me through~~ the [http://www.~~theamazonbasin~~.com/wow/~~forums~~/index.php?~~act~~=~~Msg&CODE~~=~~04&MID=61 Basin Boards~~]	+	''Tichondrius:''<br>
		+	Staark - Troll/Rogue<br>
		+	Prophetic - Tauren/Shaman<br>
		+	Serpentis - Orc/Hunter<br>
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		+	Staark is moving towards a slight modificaiton of the popular [http://www.aphasic.com/wow/basinwiki/index.php/Ass/Sub_Builds Assasination/Sublety] build with cold blood, preparation, and as much seal fate as I can. My final build isn't set in stone, and I'll probably spend some time and gold at 60 to figure out what works best.
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		+	I'm not sure I can give up Imp SS, but I haven't tried without it, and 5/5 seal fate vs. 3/5 may change my mind. Also I believe that for PvP I'll want to change from 5/5 Master of Deception to 5/5 Camouflage, with my experience showing that speed is king.
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		+	For PvE I'm sticking with a sword/mace in mainhand with a weapon delay of at least 2.7. Dagger off hand is mainly for stats and applying poisons, so I prefer 1.4 monkey blades. Cheapshot to open, else garrote if I want to be able to pull a mob. Occasionally vs high AC mobs I'll open with a garrote + (immediate) 2pt rupture, since fights vs. even levels don't often last long enough to really justify a 3pt, definitely not 4.
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		+	For endgame PvP I will make an honest effort to move away from the FoTM stun build I'm currently employing and use Imp Ambush/Backstab with [http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=14900 Barman Shanker], making extensive use of a weapon switch macro to load up a slow main hand (like everyone else I'll be looking for a [http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=8407 Krol Blade]). This will let me use both approaches situationally. My talent build will only sacrifice Hemmorage vs. the classic stun build. Downside: I'll be looking for both of the most popular main hand weapons in the game - but I like PvE.