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Onderduiker: /* /item pages */ Reply

2026-02-27T19:12:49Z

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Trang Oul: /* /item pages */

2026-02-24T14:47:19Z

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Trang Oul: /* /item pages */ reply to Onderduiker

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Trang Oul: /* /item pages */

2026-02-23T07:04:02Z

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Onderduiker: /* /item pages */ new section

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Naturelover: /* (any) shield */

2026-02-21T12:43:30Z

(any) shield

Trang Oul: /* (any) shield */ reply to Naturelover

2026-02-21T07:29:21Z

(any) shield: reply to Naturelover

Naturelover: /* (any) shield */ new section

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 :: Editing is another matter. There may be dozens of pages for Sets and Unique item ''types'', but there are ''hundreds'' of individual Set and Unique items. If you only have to make changes for a particular Set or Unique item then that's fine, but if you have to make changes that affect most, if not ''all'', Set and Unique items then you could have to edit hundreds of pages, rather than a few dozen. Obviously, you'd want to create a template that covers all existing parameters, and allows you to make changes to style or format that affect all /item pages without needing to edit them all individually.
 ::: I thought about creating a template (or templates) that would take params like <code>charged	BloodGolem	9	15</code> and "translate" that into an English description of a property. And similar ones for item/item type. That'd automatize creating new entries a lot (even more if done programmatically), and also standardize formatting across pages. [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2026 (EST)
 :: Ideally, the need for Set and Unique item redirects could be removed by linking directly to page sections instead but, even though I now know how to make a template to simplify this (see StrategyWiki's [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Template:S Template:S]), this would still mean editing hundreds of pages (all modifier and skill pages at a bare minimum). I don't think it would be worth it unless you were planning to add more information to /item pages than what's to be transcluded elsewhere. [[User:Onderduiker|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker|talk]]) 15:52, 23 February 2026 (EST)

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 :: Editing is another matter. There may be dozens of pages for Sets and Unique item ''types'', but there are ''hundreds'' of individual Set and Unique items. If you only have to make changes for a particular Set or Unique item then that's fine, but if you have to make changes that affect most, if not ''all'', Set and Unique items then you could have to edit hundreds of pages, rather than a few dozen. Obviously, you'd want to create a template that covers all existing parameters, and allows you to make changes to style or format that affect all /item pages without needing to edit them all individually.
-::: I thought about creating a template (or templates) that would take params like <code>charged	BloodGolem	9	15</code> and "translate" that into a property. And similar ones for item/item type. That'd automatize creating new entries a lot (even more if done programmatically), and also standardize formatting across pages. [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2026 (EST)
+::: I thought about creating a template (or templates) that would take params like <code>charged	BloodGolem	9	15</code> and "translate" that into an English description of a property. And similar ones for item/item type. That'd automatize creating new entries a lot (even more if done programmatically), and also standardize formatting across pages. [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2026 (EST)
 :: Ideally, the need for Set and Unique item redirects could be removed by linking directly to page sections instead but, even though I now know how to make a template to simplify this (see StrategyWiki's [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Template:S Template:S]), this would still mean editing hundreds of pages (all modifier and skill pages at a bare minimum). I don't think it would be worth it unless you were planning to add more information to /item pages than what's to be transcluded elsewhere. [[User:Onderduiker|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker|talk]]) 15:52, 23 February 2026 (EST)

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	:: Editing is another matter. There may be dozens of pages for Sets and Unique item ''types'', but there are ''hundreds'' of individual Set and Unique items. If you only have to make changes for a particular Set or Unique item then that's fine, but if you have to make changes that affect most, if not ''all'', Set and Unique items then you could have to edit hundreds of pages, rather than a few dozen. Obviously, you'd want to create a template that covers all existing parameters, and allows you to make changes to style or format that affect all /item pages without needing to edit them all individually.		:: Editing is another matter. There may be dozens of pages for Sets and Unique item ''types'', but there are ''hundreds'' of individual Set and Unique items. If you only have to make changes for a particular Set or Unique item then that's fine, but if you have to make changes that affect most, if not ''all'', Set and Unique items then you could have to edit hundreds of pages, rather than a few dozen. Obviously, you'd want to create a template that covers all existing parameters, and allows you to make changes to style or format that affect all /item pages without needing to edit them all individually.
		+	::: I thought about creating a template (or templates) that would take params like <code>charged BloodGolem 9 15</code> and "translate" that into a property. And similar ones for item/item type. That'd automatize creating new entries a lot (even more if done programmatically), and also standardize formatting across pages. [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2026 (EST)

	:: Ideally, the need for Set and Unique item redirects could be removed by linking directly to page sections instead but, even though I now know how to make a template to simplify this (see StrategyWiki's [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Template:S Template:S]), this would still mean editing hundreds of pages (all modifier and skill pages at a bare minimum). I don't think it would be worth it unless you were planning to add more information to /item pages than what's to be transcluded elsewhere. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 15:52, 23 February 2026 (EST)		:: Ideally, the need for Set and Unique item redirects could be removed by linking directly to page sections instead but, even though I now know how to make a template to simplify this (see StrategyWiki's [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Template:S Template:S]), this would still mean editing hundreds of pages (all modifier and skill pages at a bare minimum). I don't think it would be worth it unless you were planning to add more information to /item pages than what's to be transcluded elsewhere. [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 15:52, 23 February 2026 (EST)

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 : You're right, that was my plan. I wanted to have one page for both item stats and the redirect (with a clever use of "include" tags), but I was unable to do so. That's why I created sub-pages. We already have pages for all the unique and set tems - as redirects. Is it an issue (style-wise? performance-wise?) of having also a sub-page for each of them? If so, I can put everything in a single page, but having it more atomic seems easier to manage - for example to embed a single item in another page, or to reorder unique swords not only by normal -> exceptional -> unique, but also by 1H and 2H). [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 01:31, 23 February 2026 (EST)
 I've also switched from [[Template:Ub]] to [[Template:U]]: since the Unique names are section titles, they don't need to be bold (and making them so also makes them bold in any Table of Contents). [[User:Onderduiker|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker|talk]]) 13:58, 22 February 2026 (EST)
 : Thank you! [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 01:31, 23 February 2026 (EST)

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 I've noticed that you've created 21 /item pages for some miscellaneous and Reign of the Warlock Unique items, so you can transclude the contents to the relevant Unique item pages. I don't know your plans but, unless they're also going to be transcluded to other pages in the future (or you want that option), I wouldn't recommend creating many more: there are well over a hundred, and possibly ''hundreds'', of Unique items in total, whereas there are only a few dozen Unique item type pages.
-: You're right, that was my plan. I wanted to have one page for both item stats and the redirect (with a clever use of "include" tags), but I was unable to do so. That's why I created sub-pages. We already have pages for all the unique and set tems - as redirects. Is it an issue (style-wise? performance-wise?) of having also a sub-page for each of them? [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 01:31, 23 February 2026 (EST)
+: You're right, that was my plan. I wanted to have one page for both item stats and the redirect (with a clever use of "include" tags), but I was unable to do so. That's why I created sub-pages. We already have pages for all the unique and set tems - as redirects. Is it an issue (style-wise? performance-wise?) of having also a sub-page for each of them? If so, I can put everything in a single page, but having it more atomic seems easier to manage - for example to embed a single item in another page, or to reorder unique swords not only by normal -> exceptional -> unique, but also by 1H and 2H). [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 01:31, 23 February 2026 (EST)
 I've also switched from [[Template:Ub]] to [[Template:U]]: since the Unique names are section titles, they don't need to be bold (and making them so also makes them bold in any Table of Contents). [[User:Onderduiker|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker|talk]]) 13:58, 22 February 2026 (EST)
 : Thank you! [[User:Trang Oul|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul|talk]]) 01:31, 23 February 2026 (EST)

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	I've noticed that you've created 21 /item pages for some miscellaneous and Reign of the Warlock Unique items, so you can transclude the contents to the relevant Unique item pages. I don't know your plans but, unless they're also going to be transcluded to other pages in the future (or you want that option), I wouldn't recommend creating many more: there are well over a hundred, and possibly ''hundreds'', of Unique items in total, whereas there are only a few dozen Unique item type pages.		I've noticed that you've created 21 /item pages for some miscellaneous and Reign of the Warlock Unique items, so you can transclude the contents to the relevant Unique item pages. I don't know your plans but, unless they're also going to be transcluded to other pages in the future (or you want that option), I wouldn't recommend creating many more: there are well over a hundred, and possibly ''hundreds'', of Unique items in total, whereas there are only a few dozen Unique item type pages.
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		+	: You're right, that was my plan. I wanted to have one page for both item stats and the redirect (with a clever use of "include" tags), but I was unable to do so. That's why I created sub-pages. We already have pages for all the unique and set tems - as redirects. Is it an issue (style-wise? performance-wise?) of having also a sub-page for each of them? [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 01:31, 23 February 2026 (EST)

	I've also switched from [[Template:Ub]] to [[Template:U]]: since the Unique names are section titles, they don't need to be bold (and making them so also makes them bold in any Table of Contents). [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 13:58, 22 February 2026 (EST)		I've also switched from [[Template:Ub]] to [[Template:U]]: since the Unique names are section titles, they don't need to be bold (and making them so also makes them bold in any Table of Contents). [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 13:58, 22 February 2026 (EST)
		+	: Thank you! [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 01:31, 23 February 2026 (EST)

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	: And it's not the only redundancy I've found. For example, all 4 Warlock summons have physical Sunder (<code>item_pierce_damage_immunity</code>) listed twice... [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 02:29, 21 February 2026 (EST)		: And it's not the only redundancy I've found. For example, all 4 Warlock summons have physical Sunder (<code>item_pierce_damage_immunity</code>) listed twice... [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 02:29, 21 February 2026 (EST)
	::Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 07:43, 21 February 2026 (EST)		::Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 07:43, 21 February 2026 (EST)
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		+	== /item pages ==
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		+	I've noticed that you've created 21 /item pages for some miscellaneous and Reign of the Warlock Unique items, so you can transclude the contents to the relevant Unique item pages. I don't know your plans but, unless they're also going to be transcluded to other pages in the future (or you want that option), I wouldn't recommend creating many more: there are well over a hundred, and possibly ''hundreds'', of Unique items in total, whereas there are only a few dozen Unique item type pages.
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		+	I've also switched from [[Template:Ub]] to [[Template:U]]: since the Unique names are section titles, they don't need to be bold (and making them so also makes them bold in any Table of Contents). [[User:Onderduiker\|Onderduiker]] ([[User talk:Onderduiker\|talk]]) 13:58, 22 February 2026 (EST)

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	: So, it seems like sloppy development. Not strictly a bug, but at least inefficiency. If Vigilance is to be created in any shield, classless or class-specific, it should either have Any Shield as a base, or all its subtypes, including Shield instead of Any Shield.		: So, it seems like sloppy development. Not strictly a bug, but at least inefficiency. If Vigilance is to be created in any shield, classless or class-specific, it should either have Any Shield as a base, or all its subtypes, including Shield instead of Any Shield.
	: And it's not the only redundancy I've found. For example, all 4 Warlock summons have physical Sunder (<code>item_pierce_damage_immunity</code>) listed twice... [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 02:29, 21 February 2026 (EST)		: And it's not the only redundancy I've found. For example, all 4 Warlock summons have physical Sunder (<code>item_pierce_damage_immunity</code>) listed twice... [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 02:29, 21 February 2026 (EST)
		+	::Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 07:43, 21 February 2026 (EST)

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	consists of shields and 3 other subtypes.		consists of shields and 3 other subtypes.
	For https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Vigilance you added all 4 subtypes. The other shield rws only have shield as an item type. But I know they can be created in auric shields. So does that mean that "shield" actually is what you have in "any shield" and contains also shrunken heads, aurics, ...? [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 16:26, 20 February 2026 (EST)		For https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Vigilance you added all 4 subtypes. The other shield rws only have shield as an item type. But I know they can be created in auric shields. So does that mean that "shield" actually is what you have in "any shield" and contains also shrunken heads, aurics, ...? [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 16:26, 20 February 2026 (EST)
		+	: From runes.txt: Vigilance has 4 itypes: <code>grim shld head ashd</code>, that is, Grimoire, Any Shield, Voodoo Head and Auric Shield.
		+	: Grimoire, Voodoo Head and Auric Shield are leaves of the [https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/images/a/a1/Item_Types_weap_armo.png item type hierarchy], that is, they have no subtypes. So far, so good. But Any Shield is a supertype containing these three and also classic non-class Shield (<code>shie</code>)!
		+	: So, it seems like sloppy development. Not strictly a bug, but at least inefficiency. If Vigilance is to be created in any shield, classless or class-specific, it should either have Any Shield as a base, or all its subtypes, including Shield instead of Any Shield.
		+	: And it's not the only redundancy I've found. For example, all 4 Warlock summons have physical Sunder (<code>item_pierce_damage_immunity</code>) listed twice... [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 02:29, 21 February 2026 (EST)

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	: Anyway, I think technically it'd best to use a wiki template - there are so many pages that reference each item type, so hardcoding such tooltips would make future changes cumbersome. One template would allow to make changes in one place, both to improve style (such as flat vs nested example above) and to accommodate eventual future game changes. [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 06:28, 15 August 2025 (EDT)		: Anyway, I think technically it'd best to use a wiki template - there are so many pages that reference each item type, so hardcoding such tooltips would make future changes cumbersome. One template would allow to make changes in one place, both to improve style (such as flat vs nested example above) and to accommodate eventual future game changes. [[User:Trang Oul\|Trang Oul]] ([[User talk:Trang Oul\|talk]]) 06:28, 15 August 2025 (EDT)
	:: Yeah doing it for the other types makes sense to me, a wiki template also makes sense. I'm out of my element when it comes to that stuff (and also admittedly lazy xP) so I'll leave that to someone else heh. [[User:DarkMasterMan\|DarkMasterMan]] ([[User talk:DarkMasterMan\|talk]]) 16:18, 16 August 2025 (EDT)		:: Yeah doing it for the other types makes sense to me, a wiki template also makes sense. I'm out of my element when it comes to that stuff (and also admittedly lazy xP) so I'll leave that to someone else heh. [[User:DarkMasterMan\|DarkMasterMan]] ([[User talk:DarkMasterMan\|talk]]) 16:18, 16 August 2025 (EDT)
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		+	== (any) shield ==
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		+	https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Any_shield
		+	consists of shields and 3 other subtypes.
		+	For https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Vigilance you added all 4 subtypes. The other shield rws only have shield as an item type. But I know they can be created in auric shields. So does that mean that "shield" actually is what you have in "any shield" and contains also shrunken heads, aurics, ...? [[User:Naturelover\|Naturelover]] ([[User talk:Naturelover\|talk]]) 16:26, 20 February 2026 (EST)